The state of Dartford football club

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Babylon wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:05 pm A lot has changed in the last 18 months at DFC and I find myself losing interest after many ,many years of following the Darts.
I Gave up with away games years ago but I have bought a season ticket for the last 18 years ,but if this garbage we are enduring continues I simply won't bother .
As I have said before I don't question the effort and well meaning but imho we are nowhere near good enough to be anywhere near the play off places.
When the real cold weather comes I can see gates of 500 simply because the team ain't doing it .
Sorry but this squad is imho the poorest we have had since we reformed in the Kent league in the 1990s.

So agree with some of above ……I know of many too who due to cost, poor tactics simply won’t come to PP anymore …. I won’t comment on those defecting to Bromley…. Club is in real danger ….so hope we can fix things
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We all know you are Palace Dart Ozy.
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I don't have the answers to DFCs problems .
All I know is that we need fresh investment in our club otherwise we are just , "bumbling" along until the next relegation .
As has already been posted we have become the poor relations in Kent football.
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P̶a̶l̶a̶c̶e̶D̶a̶r̶t̶ Ozy, there is always a solution to a problem. Whether that is bringing in a new board member, new manager or tearing up the club's current constitution to allow outside investment into the club. Personally, I would like to see a trouble shooter come in with some new ideas, just like Tonbridge did with Sophie Purves. The solution is out there and it might be a simple fix. Just changing the board and throwing money at it might actually make the situation worse, your need a plan Ozy, constructive ideas.
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JCJ wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:19 pm
Hitchin Dart79 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 6:45 pm Stick the kids in at least they care rather than the poor journeymen who just pick up their money each month and offer and give nothing
Surly putting the kids in will end one way with relegation, not saying they don’t care about the club but some of them just not good enough at the moment
I heard that last season and we got relegated anyway and the year before we couldn’t put them in as it was a promotion fight! End of the day they give a shit and are invested and that’s half the battle at this level
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I think a start is getting someone in as head of recruitment, working closely with the manager

Long gone are the days where you can rely solely on managers contacts. The game has moved on and we clearly haven't adapted. Pennock evidently hasn't got the contacts at this level to build a squad good enough to compete at the top.

As much as I hate to say it, Chelmsford do this superbly with Adam Drew.
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When Steve King was here, we were assured by the Board that the playing budget had not increased. When Dowson was here and the quality of his signings were dreadful in comparison to King's, again we were told the budget was unchanged.

Following our relegation last season, I assumed that judging by the current squad, the playing budget was cut signicantly. If that was the case I am very disappointed, as surely we ought to have been doing all we can to bounce back up at the first attempt?

The bottom line is though, it is all guesswork. The board never communicates with the fan base, so we have no idea what their strategy is at all? Also, no clue as to what the financial position at the club is? We are all just guessing what the core problems are.

Whatever the issues and challenges are, if the board won't communicate with supporters, it's really no suprise that fans are getting seriously pissed off now and voting with their feet. I have not been for several weeks now, as l am sick and tired of the current dross being served up.

If we are in serious financial straits (which l sense is not the case), then supporters would, on the whole, be more understanding.

The really sad thing is though, if we carry on like we are, we will be a very average Isthmian league side at best. If that is the Board's strategy, then just tell us!
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Dave T wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 12:15 pm When Steve King was here, we were assured by the Board that the playing budget had not increased. When Dowson was here and the quality of his signings were dreadful in comparison to King's, again we were told the budget was unchanged.

Following our relegation last season, I assumed that judging by the current squad, the playing budget was cut signicantly. If that was the case I am very disappointed, as surely we ought to have been doing all we can to bounce back up at the first attempt?

The bottom line is though, it is all guesswork. The board never communicates with the fan base, so we have no idea what their strategy is at all? Also, no clue as to what the financial position at the club is? We are all just guessing what the core problems are.

Whatever the issues and challenges are, if the board won't communicate with supporters, it's really no suprise that fans are getting seriously pissed off now and voting with their feet. I have not been for several weeks now, as l am sick and tired of the current dross being served up.

If we are in serious financial straits (which l sense is not the case), then supporters would, on the whole, be more understanding.

The really sad thing is though, if we carry on like we are, we will be a very average Isthmian league side at best. If that is the Board's strategy, then just tell us!
I seem to remember going to a meeting for supporters and our chairman saying the budget had been cut but didn't say by how much,
I think you right the biggest problem is communications from the board, I feel they are happy to be where the club is at the moment as to get back to where we were means more investment,

When we appointed King'y as Manager I really thought the ambition of the club was to be an established National League club, Ok it didn't go the way I expected but since his sacking this club has gone backwards, and the worst part of that is i still do not understand why he was sacked, Ok I hear rumours etc on the terraces but nothing from the club,

Under Dowse i feel he was lucky in his first season but second season showed him up to what he was, I felt the end of his first season the signs were there the way it was going to go, Tom Bonner not signing saying he was retiring but then still playing 2 seasons later ?? He also mentioned that Dowse was one of the best managers he played under in fact signed for him at Hemel all be it for a few seconds, so that sort says to me the problem was at the club,

Then we sack Dowse (quite rightly) and some players couldn't wait to get out like Bradbury & Manor, the ones that stayed to end of the season were off once the season ended no loyalty to the club, Once again I ask myself why I understand some going but nearly all of them tells me all is not well at the club, I feel sorry for Ady as it is not his doing and he is trying to build a team from scratch which will take time, but then Dover are starting from scratch and look how they are doing, Ady had a go after the debacle of Billericay and said some players will be moving on but except for our on loan goalkeeper every player that has left were not a starter at Billericay so to me these are cut backs for financial reasons rather than the players not being good enough.

I know its been mentioned costs have gone through the roof like electricity and water but that would be the same for every club, I would ask the board where is their ambition if it is still to be a national league club then show it if not let someone come in and help get this club back to where it should be.

I always remember when King'y was sacked it was put out that we had our club back is this what they really wanted.
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I cannot speak for all our fans but this Dartford team is a shadow of teams that we have had in the past.
I have seen every
home game and wether it is the money, attitude or ability of this squad we look average at best and a struggling outfit at worse.
I cannot speak for all Darts fans but a lot of the ones I know are getting one of the worst feeling of any football fan.....APATHY.
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Babylon says
I cannot speak for all Darts fans but a lot of the ones I know are getting one of the worst feeling of any football fan.....APATHY.
Barry I couldn't agree more and you sum up my feelings and we both go back a long long way supporting The Darts
After 6 weeks missing games with my ankle in a boot after fracturing it and having to read about our performances I am now free of the boot but after 70 years of following the team for the first time in many years I am not especially looking forward to coming back to live games.
We can only hope and sing along on the terraces and behind the goal with "THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER"
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Trevor ,
I hope that you are recovering from your fractured ankle.
Some will no doubt disagree but believe me mate you haven't missed much .
All I can say is ...it is a very tough watch at the moment and imo we will do well to finish midway .
When the cold weather comes we will do well to get 500 fans to watch this dross.
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People are attributing our slump to money, but are we even sure that our manager has used up the available budget? ... I'm not sure that he has.

If you look back over the season so far, it's been catastrophic errors that have cost us dearly. Yes, we give the ball away too often in midfield and defensively we have screwed up a few times, but worst of all has been the preponderance of goalkeeping errors from the various incumbents as we struggle to find a reliable custodian. With the brief exception of the very impressive Ryan Sandford, we've not had a competent goalkeeper since Dowson "managed" Dan Wilkes into leaving. Whatever hope there is of getting back in the promotion race has to start with a credible goalkeeper. I don't wish to be disrespectful to the players who've given it a go this season and I take no pleasure in criticising anyone, but they have all been error prone and unreliable and in my opinion, none of them are up to the required standard. As last night's damning but accurate official tweet suggested (before it mysteriously disappeared) the latest occupant between the sticks is not looking any better. Any Darts fans who were at the 5-1 victory over Bromley in the KSC game in November of last year won't be surprised by this as the visiting goalkeeper that night was generally regarded by Darts fans as having had an absolute stinker and been largely responsible for the result. Of course, even the greatest goalkeepers can have the occasional off-day, but that he of all people has arrived as a potential solution to our problem, was always going to be a hard sell. Make no mistake, we are in serious trouble and Ady has some surgery to do. If as I believe, there is still some money left in the budget, a reliable keeper would be top of my shopping list.
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I get your point re goalkeepers Spike but look at Potters Bar, shipped 8 goals against the mighty French first game but didn't go into melt down.
Which the general concensus on here seems to.
10 games in and if things don't pick up soon I can understand the panic in the camp.
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10 games in and I am already crossing fingers and legs hoping that this "team" can come up with a performance.Then we can all go home with a smile on our face.
Because to be honest it has been pretty dire so far this season.
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Lacking in ambition seems to be the word being used, which could be rebuffed by some, sadly I think the ambition is there but wanting success doesn't bring it. We need the board / management to sit back and take a long hard look at where we are currently, and come up with a plan for everyone to work to. So far it's looking like we will be having a "how do we stay up" question later, which is not in the clubs best interests

I will be honest, I've travelled far and wide to support DFC and have no plans to jump ship, however I can understand others that have, because we all want to see a decent game of football. We don't expect miracles, but we need evidence that "on the pitch" matters are being addressed, yes the club have improved off the pitch, but I haven't yet been to PP this season, as I wanted to see how the team were doing first. I have to be selfish, as attending such dire performances under douse ruined it for me, it's just depressing, just week in week out s##t. DFC is a major part of my life, and always will be, just give us some hope that a cunning plan is at work (and not in the Baldrick sense either), and maybe I will get the bug back as too will others I'm sure

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Agree with Tall Fella. Haven’t given up the season ticket yet, so still coming to PP, but Tuesday night away games have absolutely no appeal whatsoever. It has to feel like the club are making some effort to return to former glory but there are no signs of that currently. I don’t want to be responsible for dwindling numbers of the DFC crowd, however when it starts to feel like a second job, there needs to be stronger initiatives to come along.

As PL said a little while ago, we need a shift back to supporting this club with pride rather than it being an embarrassment.
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DA Mikey wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 5:22 am Agree with Tall Fella. Haven’t given up the season ticket yet, so still coming to PP, but Tuesday night away games have absolutely no appeal whatsoever. It has to feel like the club are making some effort to return to former glory but there are no signs of that currently. I don’t want to be responsible for dwindling numbers of the DFC crowd, however when it starts to feel like a second job, there needs to be stronger initiatives to come along.

As PL said a little while ago, we need a shift back to supporting this club with pride rather than it being an embarrassment.
I live in Derbyshire now and still make trips down to PP although this season my patience has really been tested. Yesterday I made the short trip for a ground tour at Mansfield Town FC (currently 4th in league 1).

On display was their national conference title trophy and stuff from 2012/13 season when we beat them live on tv - wonder Ryno goal. I was chatting to staff there about that season and they commented on the Darts and asked where we were league wise these days. I informed them and they were shocked we had fallen so far but also commented that they really hope we will bounce back coz we made such an impact that season. That heartened me and I rewatched again the Mansfield highlights and then the Luton away victory game two weeks later - best away day ever !

How the fortunes of two clubs have varied eh with Luton too and a certain Wrexham who I am sure will also be in the championship.

Let’s all hope fellow Darts that we will get back up there soon eh COYD
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Paulcanary wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:39 am
DA Mikey wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 5:22 am Agree with Tall Fella. Haven’t given up the season ticket yet, so still coming to PP, but Tuesday night away games have absolutely no appeal whatsoever. It has to feel like the club are making some effort to return to former glory but there are no signs of that currently. I don’t want to be responsible for dwindling numbers of the DFC crowd, however when it starts to feel like a second job, there needs to be stronger initiatives to come along.

As PL said a little while ago, we need a shift back to supporting this club with pride rather than it being an embarrassment.
I live in Derbyshire now and still make trips down to PP although this season my patience has really been tested. Yesterday I made the short trip for a ground tour at Mansfield Town FC (currently 4th in league 1).

On display was their national conference title trophy and stuff from 2012/13 season when we beat them live on tv - wonder Ryno goal. I was chatting to staff there about that season and they commented on the Darts and asked where we were league wise these days. I informed them and they were shocked we had fallen so far but also commented that they really hope we will bounce back coz we made such an impact that season. That heartened me and I rewatched again the Mansfield highlights and then the Luton away victory game two weeks later - best away day ever !

How the fortunes of two clubs have varied eh with Luton too and a certain Wrexham who I am sure will also be in the championship.

Let’s all hope fellow Darts that we will get back up there soon eh COYD
Fantastic memories, Paul. What a season that was. I’ll be watching one of those Dartford greats, Lee Noble, take to the pitch for Brentwood at Felixstowe, this Saturday. I remember a couple of goals he banged in at Luton and Wrexham that season when he really shone out as a player of quality at the highest level outside the EFL.

I’ve caught up with Nobes a few times playing for the opposition since moving here and following The Seasiders. He always talks very fondly of the club although not so of the way things ended under Steve King. Mind you Alan Dowson desperately tried to encourage him back south of the river but Nobes definitely made the right choice in not accepting that poisoned chalice!

Whatever the result Saturday, hopefully I’ll be buying him a drink after the match to celebrate my birthday and no doubt recount that epic season once more.
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